if you adjust a little bit for new york and new jersey having a really low turnout because of sandy, turnout in those states was 55.3. what i'd like, what i don't want to talk about is demographic substitutes. we are by the only people in the world who do not use exit polls were judging the turnout for subgroups. i am silent on that until six or eight months from now when the census bureau comes out with its current population survey and that's 90,000 people, much better and more reliable. when people say, you know, turnout went up between 18 and 19% of african-americans, that's too small a major to make that claim. we know that african-americans turned out in substantial numbers, and we know young people did not fall, have the same drop off as commenting, people predicted, including me. but i don't want to quantify. what i want to do is talk about something that is slightly different. our turnout increased beginning in 2000 through 2008. increased in very small amounts in 2000, 2002 because since 1996 and 98 were historically low turnouts. increased substantially in 2004, for a midt